AI – ‘Plato’s Timaeus and Critias are companion dialogues, likely written around 360 BC, that explore cosmology and history. Timaeus provides a detailed, philosophical account of the universe’s creation by a divine craftsman (Demiurge). Critias is an unfinished dialogue presenting the story of Atlantis’s rise and fall, serving as a cautionary tale. Plato’s Timaeus (Cosmology)
- Focus: Explains the formation of the cosmos, the elements (earth, air, fire, water), and the human soul.
- Key Figure: Timaeus of Locri presents a long, detailed monologue.
- Concepts: Introduces the “Demiurge” (creator god) who orders the universe from chaos. It covers the properties of the physical world, the “world soul,” and the golden ratio.
- Purpose: Explores metaphysical ideas, linking the physical world’s structure to the need for virtue and understanding of the universe’s purpose.
Plato’s Critias (Atlantis Myth)
- Focus: A, largely unfinished, story describing a prehistoric conflict between a noble, ideal Athens and a decadent Atlantis.
- Atlantis Narrative: Describes Atlantis as a massive, prosperous island kingdom founded by Poseidon that grew corrupt and was eventually punished by Zeus.
- Themes: Explores the danger of hubris, the decline of a society due to moral decay, and the contrast between virtue and material luxury.
- Context: The only primary source of the Atlantis legend.
Contextual Details
- Intended Trilogy: These works were designed to be part of a trilogy—Timaeus, Critias, and an unwritten or lost dialogue called Hermocrates.
- Participants: Features Socrates, Timaeus, and Critias, set after a previous discussion of the ideal state.
- Legacy: Timaeus was the dominant cosmological text in the West for over a thousand years.’
According to Plato’s dialogues Timaeus and Critias, he leared about Atlantis through a chain of transmission. The character Critias claims he heard the story as a child from his grandfather (also named Critias), who in turn heard it from the Athenian statesman Solon. Solon reportedly learned the tale from Egyptian priests in Sais, who claimed it occurred 9,000 years prior. So, the story passed from Egyptian priests to Solon, then to Dropides (Solon’s friend), to Critias the Elder (the grandfather), and finally to Critias the Younger, who tells it to Socrates.
My copy of the Penguin Classic Translation of Plato’s Timaeus and Critias, by Thomas Kjeller Johansen and Desmond Lee, arrived today – 27.01.2026, and will be my bedtime reading over the next few weeks. See also my blog – ‘Is Atlantis based upon an anachronism?’,in which I wrote:
‘Plato presents the story of Atlantis in Timaeus and Critias as a story that was originally told to the Athenian statesman Solon by Egyptian priests, which was then passed down through several generations of Solon’s family orally, before Plato wrote it down. In other words, it appears that the story was transmitted to Plato through a longstanding oral tradition.
‘For most of human history, knowledge was passed down through oral tradition.’ (Leila Amineddoleh, ‘Words Words, Words: Books, Libraries, and the Law’, 28 Chap L. Review, 493 (22025), at 495, citing Patrick D.Nunn, ‘The Oldest True Stories in the Word’ (Oct. 18 2018).
[U]nless the version transmitted to Plato was based upon fiction, i.e. entirely invented, and provided Plato faithfully repeated what he was told, then logically, it is reasonable to conclude that the story of Atlantis is to an unknown extent, based upon fact. That is because ‘Registers’ – sacred or otherwise, typically record facts, including events, and are not designed to serve as literary devices for allegory.
Furthermore, if the story is allegorical, why would Plato make an allegation about the translation of ancient Egyptian records, i.e. about the Egyptian Sacred Registers, because if the originals existed in his time and were accessible the story could be verified, and if not, i.e. if the sacred registers which did once exist were lost, and one day could be found, they would provide documentary evidence either in contradiction or support of what Solon is reported by Plato to have said. Plato died in around 348/347 BC. 590 minus 348 = 242. In other words, Plato did not meet Solon. So, what he is reporting is not based upon contemporaneous first hand witness testimony.
The Sacred Registers have never been found, and copies may exist in undiscovered monuments which today, lie buried under the sands of Egypt.’
I will put up a further post after I have read Plato’s original text (as translated).
I am curious about the details related by Plato of Atlantis itself, and of its location, i.e if Atlantis actually existed.
My Q. to myself is – ‘Do the details in the story fit with the geography?’
My next Q. to AI is – ‘Are the Azores a possible location of Atlantis, i.e. was Atlantis the Azores?
AI – ‘The idea that the Azores archipelago represents the remnants of Atlantis is a popular, albeit scientifically unproven, theory. While it is one of many locations proposed for the legendary lost city, mainstream geology and archaeology do not support the idea that a large continent existed in that region, nor that the Azores are the remnants of such a landmass.
Here is a breakdown of the arguments for and
against the Azores being Atlantis:
Arguments Supporting the Azores Theory
- Geographic Position: Plato’s account in Timaeus and Critias places Atlantis “beyond the Pillars of Hercules” (the Strait of Gibraltar). The Azores are located in the mid-Atlantic, roughly 900 miles west of the Portuguese coast, fitting the general description of an island in that vicinity.
- Volcanic Activity & Submergence: The Azores sit atop the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, a geologically active area formed by the intersection of three tectonic plates (the Azores Triple Junction). Proponents argue that the islands are the mountaintops of a once-larger, submerged landmass that sank during cataclysmic volcanic or tectonic events.
- “Sunken Kingdom” Characteristics: The islands feature hot and cold water springs, fertile soil, and mountainous terrain, which match some of the descriptions given by Plato.
- Proponents & Specific Claims: In 1882, US Congressman Ignatius L. Donnelly popularized the idea in his book Atlantis: The Antediluvian World. More recently, researchers have highlighted potential “pyramid-like” underwater formations and aligned mounds found near the Azores (e.g., near Pico and São Miguel), suggesting they could be pre-Portuguese, man-made structures.
Arguments Against the Azores Theory
- Geological Evidence: Scientific investigations show the Azores are volcanic islands that formed on the ocean floor and have remained in their current, or even higher, elevation relative to sea level for millions of years. There is no evidence of a large, submerged continent having existed in that area during human history.
- No Substantial Submersion: Core samples from the Azores plateau have shown that the region has been an undersea plateau for millions of years.
- Timing Mismatch: Plato claimed Atlantis sank around 9,600 BC. There is no archaeological evidence of an advanced, “advanced” civilization existing in the mid-Atlantic at that time.
- Interpretation of the Story: Most mainstream scholars consider Plato’s account of Atlantis to be a philosophical allegory regarding the dangers of hubris and empire, rather than a historical or geographical record.
Conclusion
While the Azores provide a compelling, picturesque, and geographically reasonable location for a “sunken island” theory, the idea that they were Atlantis is considered pseudoscience or speculative fiction by the scientific community, as it lacks concrete geological and archaeological evidence.’
My next Q. is – ‘Have any artefacts ever been found in Europe to support the theory that Atlantis actually existed?’
AI – ‘No, no universally
accepted or conclusive archaeological artifacts have ever been found in
Europe (or elsewhere) to support the theory that Plato’s Atlantis actually
existed as a historical, advanced civilization.
While various finds
have been sensationalized or proposed as evidence of Atlantis, they have either
been dismissed by the scientific community, found to be natural formations, or
attributed to known, later cultures (such as Minoan Crete).
Proposals and Supposed
Evidence (and Why They Fail):
- Submerged Structures near Spain (Doñana/Cádiz): In 2011, researchers identified ring-shaped, buried structures in marshes near Cádiz, Spain, that some claimed matched Plato’s description. However, these were not verified as Atlantis. Other “circular ruins” found nearby were later identified as experimental ponds for a study on zooplankton.
- Orichalcum Ingots (Sicily): In 2014, divers found 39 ingots of “orichalcum” (a rare metal described by Plato as covering Atlantis’s temples) in a shipwreck off Sicily. Analysis showed the metal was an alloy of copper, zinc, and lead, common in the ancient world, and the shipwreck was from the 6th century BC, thousands of years later than the supposed date of Atlantis.
- “Swedish Atlantis” (Baltic Sea): Discoveries of 10,000-year-old Stone Age tools off the coast of Sweden have beentermed a “Swedish Atlantis” by media, but these are simply underwater settlements from the time when the sea level was lower, not an advanced civilization.
- Sardinia’s Ancient Canals: Some researchers suggest the Sulcis region in Sardinia features sunken concentric canal systems. However, these are generally considered to be related to the Nuragic civilization, not a “lost continent”.
- Thera/Santorini Eruption: The Minoan eruption of Santorini around 1600 BC is a popular theory for the source of the legend, as a thriving civilization was indeed buried. However, this happened over 1,000 years later than Plato’s timeline and in the Mediterranean, not the Atlantic.
Scientific Consensus:
Most archaeologists and historians consider Atlantis a work of fiction created by the philosopher Plato in 360 B.C. to illustrate his political and ethical theories, not a historical account. While many submerged ruins exist in Europe—such as those in Doggerland or the Mediterranean—they represent known Neolithic or Bronze Age cultures, not the civilization described in the Timaeus and Critias dialogues.’
My next Q. – ‘Are any Ancient symbols and Magic
purported to be derived from Atlantis?’
AI – ‘Yes, numerous ancient
symbols, occult practices, and magical traditions are purported by modern
occultists, New Age spiritualists, and alternative history theorists to be
derived from the lost civilization of Atlantis. In these, often, Atlanteans are
described as having used advanced technology combined with supernatural powers,
such as crystal energy, before the civilization’s destruction.
Purported Atlantean
Symbols and Magical Concepts
- Concentric Circles: Representing the capital city of Atlantis, this motif is believed by some researchers to have been spread worldwide by Atlantean survivors, appearing in ancient Celtic, Native American, and Mediterranean art.
- The “Cross of Atlantis”: Sometimes depicted as a central point with concentric circles, this is identified in some esoteric circles as a symbol for the capital’s structure.
- Snake and Dragon Symbolism: Associated with “enlightenment” or “illumination,” these symbols are claimed to have been used by Atlantean priests, with the knowledge passing to Egypt and South America.
- Atlantean Runes/Ogham: Some esoteric theories suggest that early writing styles, such as Druidic Ogham, Viking Runes, and ancient Hebrew texts, were adapted from a more ancient Atlantean script.
- Crystal Power: A major aspect of Atlantean lore (popularized by psychic Edgar Cayce) is the use of massive crystals for energy, healing, and, eventually, in a corrupt form, that caused the continent’s destruction.
- The Emerald Tablets: Often linked to Thoth, the Atlantean, these tablets are cited in esoteric literature as a source of secret knowledge and alchemy from the sunken continent.
Origins of these
Beliefs
- Theosophy: Helena Blavatsky, founder of Theosophy, claimed in The Secret Doctrine (1888) that Atlanteans were a “root race” with psychic abilities who brought their culture to Egypt and the Americas.
- Edgar Cayce: Known as the “sleeping prophet,” Cayce claimed that through, channeling, he identified many people as reincarnations of Atlanteans, who described advanced “super-science” that blended magic and technology.
- Alternative History: Authors like Ignatius Donnelly (1882) stimulated the belief that all ancient civilization descended from Atlantis, leading to the idea that symbols like the pyramid, the swastika, and the serpent represent Atlantean knowledge.
Important Context
- Plato’s Fiction: The story of Atlantis originates solely from the Greek philosopher Plato in his dialogues Timaeus and Critias (c. 360 BCE). There is no evidence it was part of any earlier tradition.
- Pseudohistory: While these symbols are popular in occult and New Age circles, they are considered pseudohistory or folklore, rather than established archaeological facts.’
My next Q. is – ‘Theoretically, is there a direct link between Alchemy and Atlantis, i.e. the Emerald Tablets?’
AI – ‘Theoretically, yes—a
direct link between alchemy and Atlantis exists within esoteric, occult, and
New Age literature, primarily mediated through the text known as The
Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean. However, this connection is not
supported by academic history, which distinguishes the modern
“Tablets” from the classical “Tablet.”
1. The Direct Link:
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean
This specific text
provides the most direct, albeit mythological, link.
- Source: Published in the 1940s/1950s by Maurice Doreal (Claude Doggins), leader of the “Brotherhood of the White Temple”.
- The Narrative: Doreal claimed these were a translation of tablets created by “Thoth,” an Atlantean priest-king who, after the sinking of Atlantis, migrated to Egypt and founded the Egyptian civilization.
- The Connection: The texts discuss Atlantis’s advanced scientific achievements, the construction of the Great Pyramid, and, crucially, secrets of alchemy and transmutation (achieving the Philosopher’s Stone) as an ancient Atlantean science.
- Nature of the Tablets: Described as imperishable, emerald-green tablets created through alchemical, rather than natural, processes.
2. The Traditional
“Emerald Tablet” (Smaragdine Table)
The traditional,
historically recognized Emerald Tablet is distinct from the 20th-century
“Tablets of Thoth”.
- Origin: Traced to 7th-9th century Arabic texts (Kitab Balaniyus) and later translated into Latin, this text was considered foundational to Western alchemy.
- Legend: Attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, a blend of the Egyptian god Thoth and Greek god Hermes.
- The Link: While not explicitly mentioning Atlantis in its earliest forms, it is the foundational text for transmutation—the core of alchemy—which esotericists often argue was passed down from a more ancient, lost civilization.
3. Esoteric &
Mythological Connection
In various mystical
traditions, the link is established through:
- Thoth as Atlantean: In these narratives, Thoth is not just an Egyptian deity but an “Atlantean priest-king” who preserved the advanced, spiritual-material science of his lost homeland in the form of alchemy.
- The “Above and Below” Principle: The famous phrase “As above, so below” from the Emerald Tablet is used to explain how the macrocosm (universe/Atlantis) is reflected in the microcosm (man/laboratory), linking the spiritual evolution of Atlanteans to the alchemical process.
- The “Halls of Amenti”: The tablets allegedly detail how Thoth hid these secrets under the Great Sphinx, which serves as a repository for Atlantic knowledge.
Summary Table: Two
Different Texts
|
Feature
|
Emerald Tablets of Thoth (The
Atlantean)
|
The Emerald Tablet (Smaragdine
Table)
|
|
Origin
|
Published 1939-1940s
by M. Doreal
|
7th–9th century
Arabic text
|
|
Connection to
Atlantis
|
Explicit: Written by
Thoth the Atlantean
|
Implicit: Part of
“ancient wisdom”
|
|
Content
|
Narrative +
Alchemical Principles
|
Cryptic Alchemical
Recipe/Philosophy
|
|
Academic View
|
Pseudohistorical /
Modern New Age
|
Historical Hermetic
Text
|
In summary, the direct link is found in Doreal’s 20th-century interpretation, which frames alchemy as a legacy of Atlantis preserved by Thoth in the Emerald Tablets.’
My next Q. is – ‘What is the basis of the statistical probability that Atlantis existed is zero?’
AI – ‘The scientific and historical consensus that the statistical probability of Atlantis’s existence is zero is based on the contradiction between Plato’s description and the known realities of geology, oceanography, and archaeology. The story is treated as a philosophical allegory rather than a historical record. Here is the basis for the probability of its existence being considered zero:
- Geological Impossibility: Modern plate tectonics show that the ocean floor does not sink or contract in the manner described, leaving no place for a massive continent to disappear in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
- Absence of Oceanographic Evidence: Despite thorough seafloor mapping and ocean exploration, no evidence of a sunken, advanced continent-sized landmass has ever been found.
- The “Sole Source” Problem: The only records of Atlantis come from the Greek philosopher Plato (around 360 BCE). There are no independent Egyptian records, nor any mention of it in other ancient Greek texts, despite the story claiming it was a massive power that fought ancient Athens.
- Geographical Contradictions: Plato placed Atlantis beyond the “Pillars of Hercules” (the Strait of Gibraltar). However, the description of it being larger than “Libya and Asia together” does not align with any known geographical feature in the Atlantic that could have submerged.
- Misaligned Timeline: Plato claimed the civilization existed 9,000 years before his time (roughly 9600 BCE), which is far too early for the existence of an advanced civilization with sophisticated architecture, metallurgy, and shipping capabilities as described.
- Proven Pedagogical Purpose: Scholars believe Plato created Atlantis as a fictional, idealized, yet morally corrupted state to serve as a foil for his idealized Athens, using the story to illustrate a cautionary tale about political hubris.
While some scholars speculate that Plato may have loosely based the tale on real, smaller disasters, such as the eruption of Thera (Santorini) in 1600 BCE or the submersion of the city of Helike, the specific, monumental, and, technologically advanced civilization described by Plato is considered a myth.’
The final
Q. I pose in the Blog is – ‘As a percentage – To what extent is the basis of
the statistical probability that Atlantis existed is zero based upon the belief
that The
story is treated as a philosophical allegory rather than a historical record.?’
AI – ‘While there is no formal “statistical
probability” calculated for the existence of Atlantis, the academic
consensus that the story is a philosophical allegory is so dominant
that the likelihood of its existence is effectively treated as 0% by
mainstream historians and scientists.
The basis for this
“zero probability” rests on several key scholarly findings:
- Philosophical Intent: Most scholars agree that Plato, who first mentioned Atlantis in the dialogues Timaeus and Critias (c. 360 BCE), intended it as a cautionary tale about hubris rather than a historical record.
- Lack of Corroboration: No written records of Atlantis exist outside of Plato’s works, and no traces of such a civilization have been found despite modern advances in ocean-floor mapping.
- Internal Inconsistency: Plato dates Atlantis to 9,000 years before his time (c. 9600 BCE), which is thousands of yearsbefore the earliest known cities or the founding of Athens, the city Atlantis supposedly fought.
- Scientific Disproval: Exploration by oceanographers like Robert Ballard has found no geological evidence of a sunken continent in the Atlantic, confirming that the landmass described by Plato never existed.
While a small percentage of the public (roughly 57% in some surveys) may believe in Atlantis, and some scholars speculate it could have been inspired by real events like the Thera eruption, they still regard the “Atlantis” described by Plato as a fictional construct. ‘